The stalling wonder - 91 toyota

Welcome to my buildup thread!

I decided since everyones got a buildup thread (it seems) that I want one too. I've got a great paying job, so i'll be sinkin' some money into the toy in the next few months. My goal is to make a toy that can tackle some wicked trails but at the same time, be part of the RRDH club...and be nice enough to drive daily.

Of course, i've 'built' it before, but it seems i run out of money before i ever finish something. So far it stands as a 1991 toyota pickup with a 350ci that never runs right and leaks like no other, th350 that is pretty much perfect, an np205, d44 front axle 4.1s, 8" toyota 4.1s.

My first question is: should i ditch the axles and go d60/14Bfullwidth?

Otherwise, the change will definately go something like this:
RND1:
-get the 350 completely redone professionally
-go propane
-new front spring hanger (drop truck 2" bring axle forward 1")
-lose rear blocks (lengthen wheelbase, move axle back a tad)
-gloss black paint/bodywork
-propane tank underneath bed

RND2:
-stang seats (neoprene covers)
-new carpet
-tint
-sound
-onboard air

RND3:
-all new brakes
-a/c
-bumper/sliders/winch
-possible d60/14B or toy t-case w/4.0s
-39" iroks or 38" swampers

this time i won't run out of money, and i will complete it and not cut corners.
Depending on the leniency of my new roommates, i might do a frame up rebuild...por15 the whole frame/axles...cut off excess weight. I might skip the d60/14B and instead put the money towards a th350/toyt-case adapter and go with a toy t-case with 4.0s. Undecided. Eitherway, i plan on getting it to a wheelable state asap and will not miss any tamor trips.

propane is :rainbow: put it on any desktop dyno or the like...you lose like 50% of the power. have someone build your 350 into a GASOLINE fuel injected 383. I'm sure Fredo could cough up a few suggestions on how to do it. the stroker kit from Summit is only $1100 mr. moneybags. i say swap out the axles too. probably wanna go w/ a bigger xfer case, like a 205, but to do that you'd need a 465 to go behind your 383.

everyone jump on this bandwagon...we'll have this toyota americanized before you know it :flipoff2:

Don't need no gas, its PROPANE!

Propane is so redneck, the Brune brothers have shown me the light, i think with a little guidance from them even i could do a TBI or even TPI swap.

If not, I think krebs has a couple of blazers full sale with ready-made fuel injection......Oh wait, full sizes suck, DAMN IT. :flipoff2:

PS I love doug! :rainbow:

It already has a 205 mofo. :flipoff2:

Who said blazer? Jerry wants to buy one? What?

I'd skip the body work personally...

There is no in between having a nice rig and an a good wheeler. You just have to accept the fact that to go on harder trails you will get body damage.

yup, the way you drive a nice body would be short lived
Does your engine have good compression? If so, I wouldn't rebuild it. It's a beast when it's running. Just make sure and keep the air cleaner on there.
I like the idea of running propane, but it seems like the big tank is really restrictive and everybody ends up designing the rest of their truck around it. It would be so easy to just slap on a tbi...
If you DO go for a build and propane, just build it for higher compression and you get back all the power you lost from the 'pane
Axle swap? I wouldn't...lock that front and wait till you start breaking stuff. Go to CTMs and when you start breaking those, start thinking D60. Current axles shouldn't look so narrow after you get it dropped a few inches either.
If you really have problems with your wheelbase as it stands, get that figured out, otherwise don't mess with the suspension...From what I saw it's pretty dialed right now.
How's about some creative trimming and tube? Don't you still need a little protection in that puppy?
Toy case fo sho! Get some gearing up in that byotch!
I'd put a/c way ahead of any of the other creature comforts...you've already got a cd player!
psst...it's already Americanized...he's trying to fix that!

like krebs said jsut paint it cheap and skip the body work, i have put lots of time and effort replacing bondo with metal on my pos mystery bronco, and i am asking myself why did i do that cause i am prolly gona destroy it all. oh yeah americanized is the only way to go

Well, since you've got wheelbase and money, buy that 203 that was bolted to your tranny and put your 205 behind it. There's a guy on POR selling the adapters for somethin like $450. And twin stick the 205.

what gearing does a doubler set me at? 4.0? I really don't think that i've got the wheelbase to do a doubler. The angle at the t-case is pretty steep as it is.

The reason i want to go with propane is because its simpler than FI (cause im a dumbass that can barely tune a carb remember?) and burns cleaner.

You're right, propane is kind of redneck, which is the reason i've seen it all over arkansas. I've driven a propane mud truck here and it wasn't bad, and they claim that its not a HUGE difference in power and starts right up when cold/angled/stalled. Not to mention that propane is alot cheaper than gas (though i'd get a bit better milage on gas). I've also heard that a propane engine lasts ALOT longer.

and i said i had money for the overall project...all of its not going to the fawkin' engine.

Americanized my ass...the toyota **** is just as good....if not better...th350 has a ****ty first gear...1-1 3rd...toyota has a hella lower 1st gear and a .75 5th. If i had an engine that would hold me at 75mph i never would have touched a v8. And I really am not looking to put a big ass propane tank in there.

edit: and the propane setup is cheeeep
EDIT EDIT: i can get the bolt on propane setup for 300....anyone have a complete and ready tbi for less than 300? I wouldn't know the first thing about doing the swap. I've seen the wiriing harness and electrical **** scares me.

you shoulda swapped in a camry drivetrain. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

the low range woulda been about the same.

Propane will cause the heads to wear out quicker. Kind of like running an engine made for leaded fuel on unleaded, but not as bad. I like the smell of it, like frying fish.

yeah, its a interesting smell.

BTW...where did that 'buildup' forum come from?

i guess we forgot one cody

just bought a th350 adapter and a toyota t-case. Now i'm looking at either a 4.0 or 4.7 gearset....i'm leaning more towards a 4.7 cause i think i can hit 2nd gear in mud.

4.7 - 47to1
4.0- 41to1

2.52 first gear 4.10s in axles.

what's considered "good" crawl ratio for a rig w/ an automatic? standards are easy to finger out

Won't a propane set up freeze over after a while when there is a extended drain on the tank like say at highway speeds. I read that one time on Lonestar from that guy tater. Seems he got stranded due to this one time on the way home from katemcy.

no...you gotta run a condenser/converter thing.........as long as you've got the coolant lines running through it, it should be fine.

or just buy a bottle warmer like those guys use on nitrous tanks. or make your own out of an electric blanket

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Originally Posted by BigRedFord04

what's considered "good" crawl ratio for a rig w/ an automatic? standards are easy to finger out

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torque converter's supposed to be worth 2:1, right? So maybe 75:1 before considering the torque converter would be a good goal?

Most blazer guys that run autos have between 60:1 and 75:1. Your truck is a little lighter, and will probably do fine anywhere in that range.

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Originally Posted by AgDieseler

Most blazer guys... Your truck is a little lighter...

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understatement of the week ;)

damn...i guess i'll have to go with a 4.7 set.

47to1 aint good at all really. whos got the cheapest 4.7 or 5.0 set? AA?

yeah automatics are suppost to double it, mine is a 68.4 to 1 ratio and i just have 3.73
3.5(2)x2.62x3.73=68.4

i don't understand what yall mean by 'doubling' it...

2.52(2)x4.7x4.10=~96to1 ???

so if i got 4.7s, it would be like i've got 96to1?

Dude, I just caught up on this thread....if you decide to run propane, I will yell "YEEEEHAAAAAWWWWW" EVERY time you crank that thing up. I can't think of more of a redneck answer than, "Oh, I've seen the TBI wiring and I can't figure it out." Don't be a ****ing redneck inbred sum*****. Be a man, run fuel injection, and it's not like putting TBI on a smallblock is hard.

id go tbi, its easy. it only requires 5-7 psi fuel pressure and is stand alone. fred, did you use your stock fuel pump or put in an electric one?

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Originally Posted by Violentv8toy

i don't understand what yall mean by 'doubling' it...

2.52(2)x4.7x4.10=~96to1 ???

so if i got 4.7s, it would be like i've got 96to1?

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The doubling effect of the torque converter is because it can slip. Double is not the exact measurement, but it's a good guess of the effect.

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Originally Posted by agjohn02

id go tbi, its easy. it only requires 5-7 psi fuel pressure and is stand alone. fred, did you use your stock fuel pump or put in an electric one?

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Actually, TBI fuel pumps put out almost 25psi and the FPR knocks it down to 12-15 psi to the injectors. I put a TBI camaro electric pump in the tank on my scout. TBI won't run on a 5-7psi mechanical pump.

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Originally Posted by Violentv8toy

damn...i guess i'll have to go with a 4.7 set.

47to1 aint good at all really. whos got the cheapest 4.7 or 5.0 set? AA?

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From what I've read, the 5.0s are doing okay so far, but the 4.7s are proven. Inchworm maybe? Try http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=42

alright...sounds like FI might be back by popular demand. Does anyone have a tbi setup that they will sell me for under 250 and will tell me more/less how to hook it up?

It's not that i'm scared to, its just that i hate fawking with electrical ****. I hate it. I'd rather work on any other aspect of a vehicle than the electrical. But if someones willing to help, sure i'll go tbi. I've even got a pump for it.

Anyhow, i guess in that case i'll just do a compression test and reseal the engine, put on the tbi, and call it good....or propane.

me to i hate electrical ****, i put it off till i have absolutely nothing else to work on, my bronco's electrical system lools like someones dog took a **** and had worms, damn previous owner.

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Originally Posted by stx4wheeler

my bronco's electrical system lools like someones dog took a **** and had worms, damn previous owner.

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that was foul

bought everything i need for under 100....TBI it is...its simpler than i thought.

anyone know of any 36-39 tires for a 16" rim that are 70% or better 4 sale?

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Originally Posted by Violentv8toy

RND1:
-get the 350 completely redone professionally
-go propane
-new front spring hanger (drop truck 2" bring axle forward 1")
-lose rear blocks (lengthen wheelbase, move axle back a tad)
-gloss black paint/bodywork
-propane tank underneath bed

RND2:
-stang seats (neoprene covers)
-new carpet
-tint
-sound
-onboard air

RND3:
-all new brakes
-a/c
-bumper/sliders/winch
-possible d60/14B or toy t-case w/4.0s
-39" iroks or 38" swampers

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Well...seems the toy needs some time off while i work on it. Things are starting to not work right. At cibolo my front gears got seized up and kept throwing u-joints. After a few frustration throttle blips, it would just spin the shaft and not transfer to the shafts or tires. New gears are needed now. As i tried to get out in 2wd, i smashed my bed/taillight against a rock...so i guess that takes away my "DD wannabe" plans. So im gonna change it up and spend some T/M which sux cause its got a full tank of $gas$.

This week, im gonna pull the tranny and fully rebuild that.
Then im gonna pull the engine and strip it of its worthy parts.
-manifold
-carb
-starter
-intake
-headers
-acc
-fuel pump
-dist.

My grandfather just bought a mech. shop and there was a 4blt main 350 from a 1-ton with all the acc. sitting on a stand. Im getting that and i plan to rebuild it and warm it up with the help of my buddy bubba. Hes gonna rebuild a 350 hes got laying around at the same time. Speaking of which, hes no longer in the club, but hes rebuilding a 72 chevy 4wd flatbed truck which will probably get 40s hes got laying around. Hes got a 465 that he just rebuilt with a 205 that will go in.

Anyway, not quite sure what we're gonna put in the engine. I don't want to rebuild this 350 because its feels so underpowered and tired and iim just fed up with this engine. New engine coming up.

Gonna clean up the firewall, paint it, reroute wires. While its out of commision, i'll put those mustang seats in that i got off here with neoprene covers. Havent decided whether to rino line the floor or recarpet it for 100. Abandoed propane, don't wanna to screw with refabbing a tank. On goes TBI.

Gonna replace the gears up front. Hopefully I'll be able to make our Thanksgiving trip by the time its done.(if we have one)

why'd bubba quit?
Is the 4bolt 350 in need of a rebuild?
make sure you keep the z-28 valve covers! Bling!

oh...thats just Bubba. Hes a harsh judge of character. I'm sure u noticed that the first time u met him. Only ppl he really liked was you, Nick and Busa cause they went up and talked with him at one of the first meetings. Hes kinda close minded though.

if the 350 isn't rebuild already (probably the case) i'll rebuild it and put some go-fast goodies in there. Bubba is pretty confident that he can do head jobs now so that works.

Z-28 covers are getting ditched, they are a little bent and leak....but never fear, it will not lack chrome by any means. I've even been thinkin' about getting a chrome starter heatshield. heh heh heh :BLING BLING:

Alright...so I drove that 350 on friday evening. It is out of a 77 3/4. It ran great...got up and went with 33s and 3.08s. steered great, drove great, rode great, shifted great...really quiet...idled strong at about 500...couldn't even hear it.

So, i bought it. He works for a company that makes ECU's for heavy machinery. He works the CNC lathe and he told me all about it. Pretty cool guy. So he was telling me that him and his friend were the ones doing the project, and he was annoyed that his daughters car took a crap (head gasket)....so he decided that he wasn't gonna fix it himself, that he was gonna pay to get it fixed so they could go ahead and pull the engine either this coming weekend or the weekend after that.

Does anyone have a flat slab of cement and a hoist I could borrow for maybe 4-5 hours? I'll disconnect everything...pull the radiator...loosen motor mounts...pull all the lines...even put a chain on the engine here at home so it will be ready to come out as soon as it i pull it up. it won't tie up a spot for more than a day. Anyone be able to help me out?

i took it to Oliver Bros tranny shop in Bryan over the weekend. They drove it and said that it doesn't feel like anything is wrong with the transmission, just the engine is really weak....he proved this to me by doing a burnout in some water....he told me to replace the engine and then see....if not, bring it back.

he said he'd rebuild it for 385 labor...which is really high. by the way, that place across from the chicken oil doesn't rebuild autos....or so the old white guy said. Maybe he thought i wasn't good for the money. :flipoff2:

pulled apart front end...did a little detective work and front shaft engaging...turns out the pinion isn't contact the gears good enough to grab them...it just makes a zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sound. might have broken the pinion head teef.

gonna pull it as soon as my tools come back from San Marcus....see the extent of the damage. ring is worn from pinion whirring on it. Ladies and Gents...never set up your own gears. we just threw these in one night really quickly to get to our keg. Lasted a long time though. :cheers: